Changing the way Giveth's core team does payments

[Danibelle]

I want to parse out your brain dump a bit, it’s not clear to me the “exact change” being proposed.

Starting from the bottom.

@Griff

I would also like to request a back payment for the salaries I paid since March when Freshelle started keeping track. The payments before that were all donations to Giveth.

Absolutely yes on this one. You made a clear delineation at that point that payments going forward were “out of pocket expenses” being advanced, and we do have a culture of paying for things up front sometimes then being reimbursed if/when possible.

@Griff

Also I represent General Magic, and they have been contributing for free for most of the last year.

I’m sure there’s more to it, but this statement does not really seem to match what you said above:

@Griff

I started another org called General Magic which doesn’t have a transparent payment policy, and as the sole fund contributor to General Magic, no transparency was needed, this allowed me to retain and attract much of the talent that built the GIVeconomy (Marko, Mitch, Rodri, Mo, Catalina, Kristofer, Vyvy-Vi, Freshelle, Heather, Vitor, Fabio, Pedro)

This gives me some pause, as almost everyone ever working on Giveth worked for fractions of their value, and are all Donors to Giveth just as much as anyone who donated money. While I’m no longer an official governance steward, I’m still a long term member of the team and take the responsibility to uphold our values seriously… transparency and accountability being the top two, so I’m taking the time to seek any conscientious concern within myself on this… pardon my usually agreeable self for digging into a more challenge-focused approach!!

I do think the DAO, having voted on work agreements in the past, has an obligation to continue having oversight on salaries, and while it doesn’t need to be as transparent as on TRACE, I’m not comfortable agreeing to keep it obscured from the nrGIV DAO at minimum.

In the future, the GIV DAO will be responsible for making these decisions, and needs to have insight on how team members have been paid in the past.

@Griff

The second biggest reason for this change is the fact that the funds we will be using to pay the Giveth Core Team’s salaries are not coming from Donors, they are actually coming from the nrGIV token allocation. We still collect donations and should maintain as much transparency over those donations as possible, but the funds coming from nrGIV didn’t come from the sacrifice of a donor, they come from the market value of the GIV token that the Giveth Core Team dutifully will maintain to the best of our abilities.

Where the funds come from seems irrelevant in the big picture of motivation for paying people commensurate to their work experience, skills, location, tenure, etc. Managing donor funds increases the demand for transparency, but the fact that it’s now coming from market value should not diminish the duty, IMHO.

The responsibility for the treasury, expenses and investments requires informed consent, so I guess knowing what a circles overall budget is can serve that purpose without revealing to one another who receives exactly what.

@Griff

By 50% I meant that Giveth will actually pay 150% of the cost of Salaries… as there is a lot of invisible labor that isn’t accounted for and General Magic is going to become a for-profit Service DAO, so it needs to charge extra.

So Giveth the not-for-profit will be subsidizing the launch of a for-profit business by paying more now, because we paid less before? How long is the 50% surcharge on this teams services to last?

It is seductively easy to unintentionally value some types of “invisible labor” over others due to our cultural, educational, and lived experience. Again I’m sure there’s a lot unsaid in this post - because of that… it could be read, that:

The people who came in and worked for a secret salary that nobody knows, also did it for basically free, and should get paid an extra 50%… because they … are going to spin a for-profit business out of their work here… is one way this could be interpreted… which I know isn’t it, but … it could be, and we have no way… to know?

Again please forgive me for being a little punchy - I just don’t want to be a rubber stamp, and I do want to help maintain transparency to the most beneficial degree possible.