Hello Giveth community!
A collaboration between Giveth and Kleros would be a huge NO for me. There are a number of points about how Kleros works where I think the protocol could be much improved, but far from having the will to improve, it worries me how Kleros has tried to fix/silence these issues in the past. Let me summarize my concerns in three main points:
Lack of Game Theory
Kleros has a huge gap in its system: PNK holders are incentivized to participate as a “decentralized” court because getting collateral from “bad” actors is economically attractive to them, but the problem begins when these court members get incentives from the presence of disputes, rather than from reaching solutions. This brings a bureaucratic layer that is convenient and attractive to Kleros jurors, but not for the protocols that use it.
Corruption
Founders of the Kleros cooperative have been involved in attacks to their own protocol, as evidenced by antikorrupt and FatManTerra in the past. On top of this, one of the Kleros founders has an ongoing legal process in Portugal for fraud. Far from innovating, Kleros’ concept of decentralized justice repeats the same mistakes as traditional systems where conflicts of interest are the standard when it comes to true justice. Hard-working members of different Giveth campaigns don’t deserve to put their resources at risk for political non-sense that has been Kleros’ compass in the past and that at the end of the day serves its users’ interests, not Giveth’s.
Values
Giveth is one of the best communities in the whole ecosystem to contribute to, mainly due to its values and positive community. The ruthless intervention of trolls whenever Kleros’ interests are exposed (even coordinated by their Comms lead) would be a threat to Giveth’s culture.
The founders of Kleros have focused in 4chan and other toxic internet communities’ members as its base for crypto market presence, which has brought a very undesirable atmosphere and even scaled up to extortions and intimidating:
Conclusions
I’ve seen first hand the corruption that Kleros represents, and there’s nothing I would wish less for Giveth than a toxic community taking over and establishing a political dynamic around legitimate charities. Giveth also has access to decentralised courts where we’re much more familiar with its audiences such as Celeste or Nation3. Please don’t hesitate to reach out if you have any questions or comments, have a great day Giveth team!